Yvonne van Dongen’s interview with Jill Abigail has been published at Noted.nz

Jill discusses her decades-long involvement in feminist politics, including a long history with the Green Party of New Zealand and recent controversy over NZ gender identity politics.

Regarding the claims of transadvocy, Jill states in the interview:
“The “innate” gender identity claimed by gender ideology cannot be proven, so basing policies and legislation on subjective feelings rather than evidence is highly questionable.”

Jill’s position has lead to controversy. When Jill had an article published the NZ Green Party magazine Te Awa, the web edition was censored to have her article removed, resulting in magazine staff resigning in protest.

When gender ideology says biology is irrelevant, that it is how we feel that counts, it ignores the fact that our biology is at the root of women’s oppression under patriarchy. When female foetuses are aborted in certain cultures, it’s not because of gender identity, it’s because a biological female has no value.

Jill’s original Te Awa article can be read on the Redline blog.

  1. The Trans debate has got to be the most fascinating thing happening right now in society. Like Scott Adams said about the election of Donald Trump, “It will open a crack in reality and allow us to peer through”. The old party positions that were clear even a generation ago are now no longer so obvious. Political factions will now have to look closely at their stated positions and see if they match the deeper motivations behind them.
    Old school radical feminists will have the most trouble with this. I reiterate my position that it will be impossible for them to open fire on the trans activists without putting a hole in their own ship. On one hand they have to maintain that society is an oppressive patriarchy, that all significant gender differences are due to socialization and not biology. While on the other hand they have to maintain that trans women are not women and that women only spaces jobs and services must be maintained. It is an impossible task.
    Jill Abigail states the classical radical feminist position quite neatly in her interview.
    ” I’m told that these days feminism means “equality for everyone”. That’s meaningless! Of course equality for everyone is the eventual goal. But you first have to address the fact that half the human race is, at worst, harshly oppressed by the other half, at best is valued less. Feminism, for me, means recognising the fact that, universally, women as a class are considered inferior to men as a class. It is a political stance, founded on abundant, irrefutable evidence. So the ongoing work for feminists is to advance the cause of women, break down the barriers that are still in place, continue to erase sex-role stereotypes that restrict the full humanity of both women and men and, of course, end male violence against us. ”
    This is a classic Marxist analysis. Women don’t exist as half of a sexually dimorphous species, they exist as a class within a political system of oppression and exploitation. Your mental states do not arise from your biology, designed to fulfill functions of survival and reproduction, they arise from you class ideology to fulfill needs of production and distribution. Change the socialization and you change the individual, presumably infinitely.
    My question to Jill Abigail is, If our society is an oppressive patriarchy, how did did it create Queer theory and trans sexualism ?

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